How to map DOL job code to TN profession?

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How to map DOL job code to TN profession?

Post Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:08 am

I am a Canadian Citizen working as a telecom product manager in Toronto. I have a MBA from a top 10 US B-school and was half way thru a MEng in Telecom. I have 7+ years direct experience in the field. I looked up O*NET and found myself a 'marketing manager' (the business and managerial aspects of my work), a 'computer and information systems manager'/'project manager' (the technical and project management aspects), and even a 'management analyst' (the strategic aspects). I am not sure how to map any one of these to Appendix1603.D.1 professions of which descriptions seem very limited.

I know it is doable as my friends from Canada used to work as marketing manager for AOL and product director at a large telco, respectively. I just don't know how they did it.

Your suggestions are much appreciated!
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Re: How to map DOL job code to TN profession?

Post Wed Mar 04, 2009 10:56 am

You don't need to map it to a DOL code, there is no labour certification for TN-1. It's somewhat subjective really, you just need to meet the requirements for each category as laid out in 8 CFR 214.6, which basically means your job title and responsibilities match up with the category and you have the relevant qualifications for the job.

The tricky ones are Systems Analyst and Management Consultant because the CBP field manual has a specific description of those jobs in it, so they'll quiz you to see if you fit into them.

Anything with "marketing" in the title is a problem as there aren't really any categories for it, but the jobs you list might fit under Systems Analyst.

From the manual:

The computer systems analyst category does not include programmers. A systems analyst is an information specialist who analyzes how data processing can be applied to the specific needs of users and who designs and implements computer-based processing systems. Systems analysts study the organization itself to identify its information needs and design computer systems which meet those needs. Although the systems analyst will do some programming, the TN category has not been expanded to include programmers.
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Re: How to map DOL job code to TN profession?

Post Wed Mar 04, 2009 12:53 pm

Thanks, Steven.

Indeed, what I do to some extend is like systems analyst. Only that 1) I am in management with business and strategic planning responsibilities as well - no sure if this would become a distraction; 2) I don't have an Eng degree yet - My BEng is in another field and I've completed about half a dozen courses towards an MEng in Telecom.

Job title will most likely be 'Product Manager' or 'Product Development Manager'. The role usually is in marketing but works mostly with Engineering/R&D and IT; occassionaly it is in R&D working with business people.

If I become an 'independent contractor' (instead of a full-time employee) to my future employer (US phone company), would it be easier to technically fit into the 'Management Consultant' classification?

Many thanks!
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Re: How to map DOL job code to TN profession?

Post Fri Mar 06, 2009 12:38 pm

Management Consultant is even tougher:

Management consultants provide services which are directed toward improving the managerial, operating, and economic performance of public and private entities by analyzing and resolving strategic and operating problems and thereby improving the entity’s goals, objectives, policies, strategies, administration, organization, and operation. Management consultants are usually independent contractors or employees of consulting firms under contracts to U.S. entities. They may be salaried employees of the U.S. entities to which they are providing services only when they are not assuming existing positions or filling newly created positions. As a salaried employee of such a U.S. entity, they may only fill supernumerary temporary positions. On the other hand, if the employer is a U.S. management consulting firm, the employee may be coming temporarily to fill a permanent position. Canadian or Mexican citizens may qualify as management consultants by holding a Baccalaureate or Licenciatura degree or by having five years of experience in a specialty related to the consulting agreement.
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