Telecommuting from US for a Canadian job

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Re: Telecommuting from US for a Canadian job

Postby Steven » Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:21 am

agnelson wrote:But if you are working for a purely Cdn firm, and just sitting at home typing, this is permissable under H4.


Have you got a reference for that? My understanding was that it could only be "incidental" work, this is not incidental. I've got the caselaw for it somewhere but something might have changed.
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Re: Telecommuting from US for a Canadian job

Postby agnelson » Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:32 am

The reference was on a US consular website years ago.

Check with Ingram
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Re: Telecommuting from US for a Canadian job

Postby traveller2 » Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:47 pm

Appreciate all your views. I wasn't expecting this to be an issue but it certainly is as it turns out. Thank goodness for this website and the sharing of your experiences.

Interestingly, my immigration lawyer advises going the B1 route, with a strong employer letter that sets out the specifics of my situation as described by agnelson (plus a few others).

Any supporting references that are found would be extremely helpful!

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Re: Telecommuting from US for a Canadian job

Postby agnelson » Tue Sep 29, 2009 6:20 am

Your lawyers advice is sound.

Just be sure that while you maintain the requisite home Cdn ties, you also build up LOTS of US ones, as this will assist in your husband's (and your) case for non-residency.

It is possible for B1 to become non-resident of Canada for tax purposes, and even if you don't, it would not prevent your spuse from becoming non-resident. The treaty wallops all CRA residency rules.

By the way, you might want to ask lawyer if the same principles that allow you to work on B1 could be stretched to H4 (this would remove the need for you to maintain a Cdn home).

This B1 possibility is NOT the same as the H4/TD provision that I've spoken about -- because it does nor require foreign abode.
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Re: Telecommuting from US for a Canadian job

Postby Steven » Tue Oct 06, 2009 9:49 am

H-4 is obviously better because B is designed for temporary stays and if you're married, CBP will be expecting you to be H-4, not B. Generally speaking anything permissible under B is allowed under H-4 or TD but this is a bit subjective. FWIW: http://www.grasmick.com/business.htm If you're not working under something specifically enumerated as permissible under B you're going to have problems because you'd be relying on the "incidental" work bit (if that's what it is, I'm not up-to-date on the case law) and your lawyer is familiar with it but that's not to say the CBP person you deal with will be. So you're using essentially two legally esoteric provisions together if you're on H-4 but theoretically it is possible.

I don't think that's your problem though, I think the problem is the tax situation. Your employer from the sounds of it doesn't have a US payroll. You can pay taxes in the US by getting an ITIN by filing a W-7, but if you earn over $10,000 while in the US and are directly employed by a Canadian employer you have to be on a US payroll and get a W-2. The usual way around it is to be self-employed and then you do the FICA/income tax withholding yourself, but as soon as you do that your employer is no longer in Canada, it's yourself and thus the limited exemptions allowed under B status no longer apply.

This is explained (in reverse) in this publication: http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p597.pdf on page 2.

Forgetting for the moment what CBP, the IRS, CRA, lawyers, etc. think about it, the basic point I think to bear in mind is that the whole set up for working in the US without a specific work authorization is designed for incidental or short-term work.

Generally speaking people on B are supposed to renew status on I-539 every six months, with Canadians it's more vague because it's based on "duration of stay", i.e. what your intent is based on how long you've stayed, the six months thing is more of a rule of thumb that CBP use. However if you get to the point of filing an I-539 it's not clear on what your claim to the renewal would be, because you're married to someone on H-1B and that would normally be H-4.
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