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Not really a travel related question and for that I apologize. I was just wondering if any of you guys down south are taking advantage of the high Canadian dollar by shipping cheap American goods u...


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zagfan1
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 10:37 am
 

Not really a travel related question and for that I apologize.

I was just wondering if any of you guys down south are taking advantage of the high Canadian dollar by shipping cheap American goods up here to make a quick profit on the difference? I've heard of people buying big ticket cars in the States and cashing in on the difference here in Canada?

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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:09 am
 

Yeah, they're called vehicle brokers! I used to think living in the UK sucked when it came to situations like this because we drove on the other side of the road so if you wanted to import a car from France you had to find a dealer willing to order a right-hand drive car, and then the manufacturers started using special price lists for right-hand drive cars making it a "special order" situation so they could charge more on the mainland. Eventually the European Court of Justice stopped them from doing it.

But the US to Canada seems to be even worse, it's actually legal for manufacturers/importers to stop franchised dealers from selling to Canadians at all, which appears to be a rather big loophole in NAFTA.

You can get around it easily enough just by doing a straw purchase, i.e. get someone who lives there to buy the car and then transfer title to you, but what a hassle. Then there is the problem of warranties not being honoured, etc.

And you also have to get the compliance certificate from the manufacturer/importer to show to CBSA, and some of them simply refuse to issue them.

Last time I was at Sweetgrass, some girl was there importing a Ford Edge, and the amount of hassle to do it had basically reduced her to a nervous wreck, she said. Ford is one of the few who will issue the certificate and allow sales to Canadians.

So yeah, you obviously can make a profit but it's not quick, that's the impression I get anyway.
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:08 am
 

Plus, if you want to re-sell an American car in Canada, you have to have it modified for Canadian market. Day time running lights, metric dash gauges etc etc etc.pain in the arse.
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 9:08 am
 

Yeah, it can be trivial to do that though, especially on a Ford, that girl I spoke to had already spoken to Canadian Tire and she said it was only going to cost a couple of hundred dollars to get the daylight running lights sorted and the rest of the car met the spec.

Buy a Volvo, that doesn't need any modification. Laughing
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 5:44 am
 

I figure that if the US/Canadian dollar parity keeps up for long enough, Canadian car companies are going to have to re-think their pricing policies anyhow.

For years they've been pricing them at Canadian dollar equivalent of US prices (do the exchange, it worked out pretty much exact). But now that the Canadian dollar is trading higher than the US dollar, having Canadian car prices at $10,000 to $15,000 higher than US prices sure isn't going to help the Canadian economy any!
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 6:50 am
 

What about other luxury goods like Plasma TVs, jet skis and stereos?

I guess the same warranty issues would apply, but let's face it guys the Canadian economy is booming with no signs of crashing in the near future.
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:32 pm
 

This is a good article: http://www.wheels.ca/article/asset/32462

The problem with bringing back TVs and stuff like that is you get hit with GST (and PST if you live outside Alberta) and customs duty at the border. A lot of people in Alberta buy TVs and stuff like that in Montana, because Montana has no sales tax.

However you do get hit at the border, so be careful to check on the CBSA site in their monster book of customs duty to see what the customs duty will bring the price to.

I recently bought a new TV, I found that I could get it for only about $200 more in Canada (after a lot of searching, not from a big chain) than I could get it in Montana, once I'd factored in all the tax, and given the price of gas it wasn't worth the drive.

The other snag in Alberta is that Calgary and Edmonton have lots of shops, whereas there is bugger all in Montana, so you end up buying from some overpriced chain in Montana and you have less room to negotiate. Unless you want to drive to Billings, which is a lot of money on gas. Best Buy etc. aren't going to ship to Canada to undercut their Canadian dealers.

I tried really hard to buy my TV from a dealer in Spokane but he wouldn't ship across the border and it's a 16-hour round trip so I ate the cost difference in the end.

There are independent dealers in NYC who will ship to Canada but I heard a lot of horror stories from people who had been stiffed by them so I gave up on that idea. (But on the other hand, if you can drive there.)

It's certainly worth looking into, the ideal situation is if it's something you can stick in the back of your car and drive back with, just beware of the taxes. The problem with plasma TVs is that you must keep them upright, so you need a van or a big SUV to get them in the back.
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Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 7:57 am
 

Here's an interesting article about buying cars in the US, and the pitfalls Canadians may run into once they get it across the border.

Quote: So you want to buy a car in the U.S.
Yes, you might save money, but there are plenty of potential hurdles along the way
John LeBlanc

Special to the Star

Oct 26, 2007

With the Canadian and U.S. dollar hovering near parity, there are two big questions on the minds of new-car buyers:

Why aren't new-car prices the same in both countries?

Should I take advantage of the apparently lower prices south of the border?

Car buyers are overloaded with information on the Internet, with wild assumptions surrounding the recent parity between the currencies, and what it means for those looking to buy a new car. The apparently lower prices south of the border have even sparked a class-action lawsuit and a human rights complaint.

Wheels took the perspective of all parties involved – consumers, dealers and manufacturers – in order to debunk some of the myths surrounding cross-border car shopping.

If you're looking for a used car, there are a lot right here at home to choose from, already imported from the U.S. with prices that are not radically different from those in the States. They're not difficult to bring across the border.

But if you want to buy a new car, the issue is not quite so cut and dried.

The first thing to keep in mind is that dealers on either side of the border set prices based on their desire to move product out the door. But the economics of doing business vary even within the borders of a country as diverse as Canada – due to population size, operating costs, weather, government regulation, etc. – never mind the differences between here and another country.

Parity between the U.S. and Canadian currencies may not even apply in some cases. Volvo Canada, for example, like many European brands, doesn't buy its vehicles in U.S. dollars. Volvo buys in Swedish krona or the euro, depending on the location of the manufacturing plant. While the Canadian dollar has appreciated some 50 per cent against the U.S. dollar in the last four years, it has appreciated only 10 per cent against the krona and 7 per cent against the euro in the same period, according to Volvo Canada spokesperson Chad Heard.

Though the main bone of contention seems to be the difference between Canadian and U.S. manufacturer's suggested retail prices (MSRP), if you will be financing the car, the truth is that the price was always a bit of a fairy tale when figuring out the monthly payments. Beyond your negotiating skills at the dealer, you also have to add in the additional costs of the freight and pre-delivery inspection (PDI) charges.

Cash incentives, capital cost reductions, residuals, finance rates, warranty costs, roadside assistance and scheduled maintenance plans are not only different between the U.S. and Canada, they're also different between Halifax and Vancouver.

For the majority of new-car buyers who need to either lease or borrow money, these factors – more than just the MSRP – give a more accurate bearing on your final monthly payment. Comparisons between U.S. and Canadian models need to be done at the "transaction" level (the price customers pay on a monthly basis) to be more realistic.

For example, General Motors of Canada spokesperson Stew Low says the monthly payments for the 2007 Chevrolet Malibu LS is $280 a month in Canada compared with $282 a month in the U.S., and the 2007 Pontiac Torrent FWD is $416 in Canada vs. $413 in the U.S. (in their respective dollars).

So is it worth your while to shop for that new car across the border? There are several factors to consider, which add to your final cost:

Import duties, plus federal and provincial taxes.

The cost of meeting Canadian compliance standards (see sidebar). Safety standards differ and vehicles imported to Canada must be retrofitted at the owner's cost.

Scheduled maintenance costs that aren't covered on U.S. vehicles in Canada.

Vehicles imported to Canada may not be eligible for roadside assistance coverage, or incentives such as credit card affiliation points, no charge maintenance, etc.

When it comes time to sell your imported U.S. car, its resale value will be lower than a comparable Canadian model.

Finally, those federal and provincial energy rebate programs, which can add up to $4,000 in incentives for fuel-sippers, don't apply to imported vehicles. On the other hand, any gas-guzzler penalties still apply to U.S. vehicles and need to be paid when licensing the vehicle in Canada.

Apart from these financial concerns, there is also the difficulty of negotiating in the States. Most U.S. franchise agreements prevent dealers from exporting – whether you're from Canada, Cambodia or Croatia. And most trade experts say this international practice is not illegal.

When asked by Wheels this week, the Canadian branches of several car companies said they allow Canadian customers to buy new cars from their U.S. dealers, but that Canadian dealers may not honour warranties on new vehicles bought in the U.S.

At the time of publication, Audi, BMW, Hyundai, Ford, Mazda, Porsche and Volvo told Wheels they would honour the warranty on vehicles purchased in the U.S. However, most scheduled maintenance plans offered in the U.S. are only valid in the U.S.

So if Canadian retailers in the book or electronics industries can drop prices to reflect parity, why can't the auto industry?

In many ways it may simply be a matter of time. Over the past several months, Hyundai Canada has increased consumer incentives on select models. Last week, BMW Canada began offering lower lease and finance rates, or cash incentives. Porsche dropped pricing across the board for its 2008 models by 10 per cent.

The differences in Porsche's pricing were so large to begin with, it did little to reduce the disparity. But it did bring up the free-market issue. As a car buyer, you have a choice: If you don't like the price, don't buy the car. Or at least a new one.

Buying a used vehicle in the U.S. does come with the hassles of determining the car's accident history, and may reduce the warranty coverage. But it's a larger market down south, making for potentially lower prices and wider selection. And unlike the additional "hidden" costs of a new car, a used car in any country requires less detective work to get to the "real" price.

To avoid some of the hassles of importing a car, and as your first salvo in negotiating the purchase of a new car in Canada, some experts advise seeking out a comparably equipped U.S. model on the Web, and taking that price to a Canadian dealer.

That's a good start. But most Canadian retailers are still buying cars at a higher wholesale price than their American counterparts – sometimes much higher – giving them little wiggle room in the sale price.



With such a wide range of considerations, it's hard to make a broad statement that all Canadian new-car prices should be reduced by a fixed amount based on what the loonie is worth that day. Many Canadian auto retailers admit they are in the organizational and legal throes of trying to adjust pricing based on the changing Canadian currency.

In the end, do your research. Crunch the numbers. Then it's up to you to define "value."


Plus, a checklist
Quote: Checklist before buying in the U.S.

For many new-car shoppers wanting to cash in on the current Canadian-U.S. currency parity, having a computer with online access to American pricing seems to be all one needs to play the cross-border car shopping game.

But hang on. In reality, there are plenty of qualifications to check off before the game begins:

1) Find someone who will sell to you.

Many car companies won't allow their dealers to sell to customers living outside the country. There are Canadian car brokers who claim to be able to buy cars in the U.S. for you, but even if the American firms allow the sale there's no guarantee Canadian dealers will honour the warranty.

2) Do you need to borrow money to buy your new car?

Experts estimate more than 80 per cent of new-car buyers need financing. Canadians cannot qualify for American-based leasing offers. Keep in mind a bank line of credit may run between 6 and 7 per cent compared with 0 per cent financing at the dealer.

3) Do you need to trade in your existing vehicle?

Good luck finding an American dealer who will even consider taking your Canadian car or truck as a trade in. Not only is the U.S. car market awash in cheap, used vehicles, the dealer will never see you in the service department, where most of its revenue is generated.

4) Do you live near the Canadian-U.S. border?

Can you afford the time off work for the several days it may take pick up your new dream machine? Can you arrange transportation to and from the U.S. dealer? Can you afford the travel costs?

5) Can your new car be imported into Canada?

Check Transport Canada's List of Vehicles Admissible from the United States to make sure your new U.S. vehicle is permitted, and can be modified to meet Canadian requirements.

Many limited-production vehicles – like the 2008 Nissan Sentra SER, Volkswagen GTI or Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution – aren't admissible. But even some mainstream vehicles, such as the Nissan Altima sedan or certain Subaru Foresters, don't qualify.

6) Are you prepared to register your new car?

Finally, if your vehicle can be imported, you must register it with Transport Canada's Registrar of Imported Vehicles.

cannot license your vehicle in Canada until it is modified to meet Canadian requirements, and passes the federal inspection from the RIV.

This ensures that Canadian-specific items, like the 17-digit alphanumeric Vehicle Identification Number, metric speedometer and odometer labels, daytime running lights, infant restraint kit, child tether anchorage, 8 km/h bumpers and French label for the airbags' supplementary restraint system, are all in place and valid.

The RIV. registration fee is $206.70 in all provinces except Quebec, where it is $222.21. You are responsible for all costs incurred to modify your vehicle to meet Transport Canada requirements.

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