TN Management Consultant VISA Revoked due to corp structure

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Re: TN Management Consultant VISA Revoked due to corp structure

Postby Steven » Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:26 am

sodaones wrote:The first few years I was under one company, but since moved to a company that I am on the board of directors of, and which is an S Corp in California.


Your paperwork wasn't in order - you can't do this, it's prohibited.

If you exert any sort of control over the sponsor or it's not arm's length then the application is not considered valid. Doesn't matter how complex the structure is, boils down to that factor alone. Had this thread on here several times, this is what it says in the CBP manual:

As with the CFTA, admission as a TN under section 214(e) of the INA does not imply that the citizen of Canada or Mexico would otherwise qualify as a professional under section 101(a)(15)(H)(i)(b) or section 203(b)(3) of the INA. Note too that Section D of Annex 1603 does not authorize a professional to establish a business or practice in the U.S. in which the professional will be self-employed. Section D of Annex 1603 is limited to the entry of a citizen of a Party country seeking to render professional-level services for an entity in another Party country.

Self-employment also clearly conflicts with the intent of the NAFTA Implementation Act and its accompanying Statement of Administrative Action, which states, at page 178, “Section D of Annex 1603 does not authorize a professional to establish a business or practice in the U.S. in which the professional will be self-employed.” In this regard, Section B of Annex 1603, which deals with “traders and investors,” establishes the appropriate category of temporary entry for a citizen of a Party country seeking to develop and direct investment operations in another Party country. Canadian or Mexican citizens seeking to engage in self-employment in trade or investment activities in the U.S., therefore, must seek classification under section 101(a)(15)(E) of the INA.

Although the issue of self-employment was never specifically addressed under the regulations promulgated by the INS pursuant to the CFTA Implementation Act, the bar on establishment of a business or practice in which the professional will be self-employed is consistent with the intent of the U.S. and Canada in entering into the CFTA. Since entry into NAFTA was not intended to substantively change the treatment of professionals, this explicit bar merely clarifies existing law.

Note that the bar on establishment of a business or practice in which the Canadian or Mexican citizen will be self-employed is in no way intended to preclude a Canadian or Mexican citizen who is self-employed abroad from seeking entry to the U.S. pursuant to a pre-arranged agreement with an enterprise owned by a person or entity other than him/herself located in the U.S. On the other hand, a Canadian or Mexican citizen is precluded from entering this country in TN classification for the purpose of rendering pre-arranged services for a U.S. corporation or entity of which he or she is the sole or controlling shareholder or owner or over which he or she holds de facto control.


Like it says, what you should do is apply for an E visa, probably E-2 from the sounds of it.

This requires a "substantial investment", which usually means at least $50,000, financial statements, business plan and so forth, it can help to use a consultant experienced in applying for them as the paperwork requirements are substantial. E is the most complex non-immigrant category and it actually requires a visa which means a consular appointment to get it.

http://www.consular.canada.usembassy.gov/evisa.asp
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Re: TN Management Consultant VISA Revoked due to corp structure

Postby lawsrlaws » Mon Sep 28, 2009 5:01 pm

Right on Steven.

He is an exective with the company. He is not a management Consultant. The Officers were dead on right on this one. He is abusing the Mngt Consultant TN. This is another example of TN abuse. Port shopping on this one will result in an Expedited Removal.
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Re: TN Management Consultant VISA Revoked due to corp structure

Postby MC » Mon Sep 28, 2009 6:16 pm

How come lawsrlaws you are not right on with all of your posts? You work for the DHS and will accept a 3-Year Bachelor's degree for admission into the U.S. under TN. I would say that you are dead wrong and an embarrassment to CBP because you don't even know or are aware of the educational criteria required.
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Re: TN Management Consultant VISA Revoked due to corp structure

Postby Dremani » Mon Sep 28, 2009 6:59 pm

MC wrote: You work for the DHS and will accept a 3-Year Bachelor's degree for admission into the U.S. under TN


MC, if you have a moment can you please cite a source and NOT from a lawyer but from a U.S. government source where it says that a 3 year Bachelor Degree cannot get a TN. This is categorically not true.

A Bachelor Degree is a Bachelor Degree where getting the TN is concerned if its coming from Canada. If it's an 18 month online Bachelor degree, it would still be acceptable as proof of educational requirements. You are confusing this with the H1B which requires a 4 year Bachelor Degree in order to gain this visa. In no way am I discrediting how much your lawyer knows but in this instance he was misinformed.

I know quite a few Canadians who succesfully gained their TN with a 3 year Bachelor Degree. Were the CBP officers that granted them their TN status not knowledgable too?
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Re: TN Management Consultant VISA Revoked due to corp structure

Postby agnelson » Tue Sep 29, 2009 6:30 am

MC wrote:How come lawsrlaws you are not right on with all of your posts? You work for the DHS and will accept a 3-Year Bachelor's degree for admission into the U.S. under TN. I would say that you are dead wrong and an embarrassment to CBP because you don't even know or are aware of the educational criteria required.


MC, I'm afraid you are the one that's out of step here. Bachelor's degree is the criteria. Period.

Knowing of a case where someone (likey with an unrelated degree) got turnd back does not invalidate the treaty and it intent, which was to provide simple access for professionals from ALL THREE countries. Thus a Bach Degree from US/Can/Mexico are all equal, because the treaty says so.

If, as you say, Grade 13 from Ontario was so important, I guess Ontario Ministry of Education should have negociated the treaty instead of Foreign Affairs Canada.
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Re: TN Management Consultant VISA Revoked due to corp structure

Postby Dremani » Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:46 am

Agnelson,

You mentioned through the treaty between Can, US and Mexico that the Bachelor degree is equal. So my question is, would a 3 year bachelor from Canada be acceptable as educational requirements toward the H1B?
Because to my recollection and from research, a 4 year Bachelor is what is required for the H1B regardless of the country.

After you mentioned that I got a tiny bit confused :P
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Re: TN Management Consultant VISA Revoked due to corp structure

Postby agnelson » Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:58 am

For most other statuses which have educational pre-requisites, CIS (remember TN is the only one that CBP has a part in), including H1 typically requires that non-US education to be foprmally equivalenced.

TN has no such requirement, partly due to the trilateral spirit of the and partly because CBP is not equipped to make such determinations (sorry lawsr -- bad enough you have to make determinations on non-related degrees). Thus they are instructed to accept bachelors degee from Canada and Mexicao as just that.
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Re: TN Management Consultant VISA Revoked due to corp structure

Postby Junoon123 » Tue Sep 29, 2009 11:19 am

Just to add, a friend of mine is a Canadian Grad 3 years BA and got his TN visa about 4 months ago. He didn't had any 4 year degree he told me they just took my papers and came back with a TN
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