Web Designer in USA - need a visa to telecommute?

wart
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Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 4:32 pm

 

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I am a Canadian citizen who does contract web design work for various Canadian small businesses, I have no long term employer. I am planning to go travel through the states and work on websites from my laptop while I am there. I won't be staying any longer than 6 months maximum and intend on coming back to Canada. I just want to work while I'm traveling to earn money.

My product i am producing is 100% virtual (web sites). Even my invoices are just emailed files. While I'm traveling everyone is paying me online by depositing directly into my Canadian Bank account.

Can anyone shed light on what is required of me visa wise? what do i say when i cross the boarder? I was planning on leaving on my trip in a couple of weeks. Am I in trouble?

Thanks so much for any advice/info anyone can offer.

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Steven
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Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 7:55 pm

 

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It's not legal to work in the US this way. But there's pretty much no way to legally do it as the law hasn't caught up with technology yet. And there's essentially no way to catch you unless you do it under the nose of a USCIS officer.

I wouldn't worry about it too much, especially if your customers are Canadians. Look at it this way, if you get busted for it, it will make interesting case law. The one I want an answer to is if you are doing work on your laptop in a transit lounge in the US. Technically you're not in the US - but you are.

Writers have been having this problem forever, basically. You're working, because you're writing - but who knows where you did the writing? And there's no visa for it specifically unless you're a journalist.

If you're going into the US to search for clients, then you're going to have a problem. Just going into the US to canvas for work will get you denied entry. If you have specific meetings set up with specific clients then those are business meetings and it's a B-1 entry. But have proof of it, business cards, dates and times of meetings you're going to, etc.

You can go in and "negotiate contracts or take orders" but this assumes some sort of pre-existing relationship.

These are the permitted activities in B-1 status for Canadians: http://www.americanlaw.com/1603a1.html
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wart
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Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 8:06 pm

 

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Hey Steve, thanks for your reply. No, all of my customers are Canadians and I am not looking for any US clients while i'm there. I simply wish to continue working for my Canadian clients while there to give me money to keep traveling within the allowed six months out of the year.

So what do I do? I don't want to get caught and kicked out, I'm hoping to get to do this kind of travel frequently to both the US and UK, since my office is literally just wherever my laptop is. How do I do this legitimately?

So confused.

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Steven
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Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 8:48 pm

 

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It is tricky, moreso from a tax standpoint actually. Canada and the UK aren't quite as anal as the US about it, if you work in Canada and the UK "incidentally" which I've been told means less than two weeks a year (i.e. a typical vacation) then there are no tax implications and immigration don't care. This is from case law. Otherwise if your boss phoned you up while you were on vacation to ask you a question you would be breaking the law.

The US basically has no provision for it from an immigration standpoint, so it boils down to whether you get caught. It is illegal but given the lack of case law I suspect no-one has been caught (yet). I suspect (but this is merely an opinion) that a US court would probably rule in a similar way to the Canadian and UK courts. At the end of the day your work has no impact on their economy and you are simply spending money like you would on vacation, so one would hope a court would see it that way.

You might want to have a read of this: http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/E/pub/tg/p151/README.html

To do it "legitimately" I suspect would require E-1 or E-2 visa in the US which is way OTT for what you're talking about or worse yet, EB-5.

Legitimately means don't do it I'm afraid. And just think of all the travel books that wouldn't be on the shelves if people followed that law.
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wart
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Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 10:16 pm

 

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any thoughts on what i say at the border considering i'm planning on staying for six months and don't currently have enough money to justify such a long stay? I'm counting on earning more money working while i'm traveling to pay for my expenses. How the heck do i explain that going in and coming out again six months later.

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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 3:18 am

 

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Are you flying or driving across?

Don't mention work if you can help it. My uncle was once denied entry because he had some legal case files with him when he was on his way to vacation in Florida. He had to review the files before a court appearance in Toronto, but even though he obviously is not licensed to practice law in Florida, and the files were of Canadian criminals to be tried in a Canadian court, he was "working" and didn't have a proper visa.

He had to turn around, take the files home, and then go back. I think they went to a different POE.
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Steven
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 6:55 am

 

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You don't need much money to legitimately stay in the US for six months. I worked out in another thread that you need $6,555 for a six-month stay according to their rules. So if you've got something that shows access to that much money you shouldn't have a problem. Most credit cards go up to $5,000 so a credit card with no balance and a bank statement with a few thousand in would be enough (in theory).

Of course, this is all at the discretion of USCIS.
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wart
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 11:49 am

 

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Hi Reba, I am taking the bus. But I may do this again some other time flying. Thanks for your advice about files!

Steven - thanks for your advice also. I should be ok on the money front.

I just really wish there was some easy legitimate way to do this, seems so silly that there isn't. are all countries like this?

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